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Tony Burton's avatar

An interesting discussion, thank you. A couple of thoughts:

1. Nozick among other libertarians, notes we end up deciding that government is needed, but that government can be considerably slimmer than you suggest. For instance, we can decide toasters in rooms is a risk we accept because we don't like the risk averse alternative created by more regulation.

A real example was the public health discussions of COVID in 2021/22 (ie when vaccines and better treatment mitigated earlier high risks) where the "one death is too many" rhetoric of public health people led to policy that was deeply destructive of mental health and detrimental to a range of economic and social outcomes.

2. I agree with the Chesterton's fence argument. It is a problem for discussions of government intervention that when successful, the reason for intervention is often not visible.

That said, there is a problem of policy fakelore (cf my Demystifying the State) that claims benefits of government intervention with no evidence. Why does WINZ/MSD employ 9000 people when at peak unemployment, pre-computers, it employed half that? Is there is some ineffable benefit, invisible to recipients and non-recipients alike? Or has WINZ/MSD successfully manipulated ministers over a couple of decades...?

Agree we need to think about the issues. But perhaps also need to temper our thoughts with recognition there are no disinterested parties on the debate?

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SB's avatar

Thank you for sharing! Can you recommend any podcasts or vlogs in particular, that you’re finding useful in your research?

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